If man had seen God creating the world, he could admit it, but how could he have seen God before he came into existence.+

Q:~Dear Santthosh Sir Pranam. As ignorant I don't know what I believe myself as desiring thought for clarity or individual body. I doubt myself for what it is. But no result for convincing reality. Whatever is the truth words are typed to move forward as life is full of movement to experience whatever it can. Soul, the Self, consciousness, formless witness, Brahman so far these terms are used for something that is most important to be known for the individual person. Not only to know what these terms as but also the individuality of the person who initiates this search is advised to be false. With the Atmagyan everything is advised to be negated including the one who desires to know. The whole approach seems to block wherever the mind can interfere with its every instrument called thought. When one succeeds this way by any fortunate chance what is the outcome. It is not an experience of any kind. The mind can easily conclude there is nothing to hold onto. So the mind or seeker or person returns emptyhanded to live its habitual life. But some fortunate ones when return they are changed. At least it seems to be unfortunate ones. Something is lost for some and something is gained by some. However what is gained is not objective experience for those who could not achieve it. Maybe it's the loser's question what is that which is missed. I know there is no answer to this loser but you can do something that is this loser's trust. Thank you for spending time with Looser to move ahead in the right direction.

A:~Santthosh Kumaar:~Orthodoxy is the path of ignorance.  Ignorant people worship mechanically and perform the prescribed sacrifices without any thought as to why they are doing them.   

That is why Ish Upanishads says: ~ Such people no wonder they grope in the dark.” They are doomed unless someday the truth dawns on them that to save themselves they must seek Self-knowledge.

Dogmas and beliefs, rituals, and ceremonies are the essences of the religion, not of the spirituality. 

Religion has become merely a matter of external rituals and ceremonies. Religion hides the truth beyond form, time, and space.  Till the form, time and space are present the duality is present. The duality creates the illusory prison to the Soul, the   ‘Self’.

Religious rites and rigid ceremonies were passed down from one generation to the next as a practice or set customs and traditions and performed automatically with blind faith. Such worship based on the belief of God does not reach God.

Religious believers claim that happiness and sorrow are felt through our sense organs. Eating drinking and making merry are a reality. The above experiences will appear false to Gnani because he is fully aware that, all three states are merely an illusion.  

People think God is somewhere, up there, monitoring every act of the people, guiding the lost, and uplifting the poor. God is the one who punishes the evil and rewards the benevolent.

Some people even claim to see them in stone idols or some conceptual belief, in inanimate or living things. Is it our faith that makes us believe that there is some supreme power above us or is it a reality, that can never be answered?  Until this conviction is there one is in the grip of the dualistic illusion. 

The dualistic illusion keeps one in ignorance of our true existence.  Therefore, there is a need to verify that the ‘Self ‘, is not you but it is the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. 

When you become aware  that, the ‘Self’ is the Soul, then you realize that whatever is known, seen, believed, and experienced on the base of the false self is an illusion.

You are the false self within the false experience.  You are not the Self because you are the birth entity whereas the Soul, the Self is birthless and deathless.  

The unborn  Soul is birthless and deathless because it is an ever-formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

From the standpoint of the Soul, the Self, you and your experience of the world and your religion and your religious God and your accumulated knowledge is a falsehood because the waking experience is merely an illusion.

The Bhagavad Gita: ~ Brahmano hi pratisthaham ~ Brahman (God in truth) is considered the all-pervading consciousness, which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material. (14.27).

When Bhagavad Gita says, God is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material then nothing has to be accepted as God other than consciousness. 

Sage Goudpada quotes from the Upanishads: ~"There's no plurality here"; "The Soul, through its powers, appears to be many"; "those who are attached to creation or production or origination go to utter darkness"; "the unborn is never reborn, for what can produce it?”

The Vedas confirm God is Atman (spirit), the Self.

Rig Veda: ~ 'Prajnanam Brahma'- Consciousness is the ultimate reality or Brahman or God in truth.

Do not accept any other God other than the Soul. The Soul is God in truth. Nothing is real but the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Nothing matters but realizing God in truth. God in truth, is everywhere and in everything. Let these words be inscribed in your subconscious.

God in truth, is hidden by the illusory universe. God in truth alone, is real and eternal, and all else is an illusion.

Brahman is merely a word to indicate the ultimate truth or God in truth. The ultimate truth itself is God in truth.

People are not aware of the fact that there is no individual God exists, apart from the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Rig Veda: ~ The Atman is the cause; Atman is the support of all that exists in this universe. May ye never turn away from the Atman the innermost Self. May ye never accept another God in place of the Atman nor worship other than the Atman?" (10:48, 5)

The dualistic worship of "God” is only for the ignorant populace.  God in truth is only Atman, the Self.   In reality, there is no duality, no differentiation. Only Atman exists.

The Bible says: ~  God is a Spirit, and they that worship God m must worship God in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24) 

The Spirit is the root element of the universe. The Spirit is present in the form of the Soul, the Self. The Soul is present in the form of consciousness.  

From the Spirit, the universe comes into existence. In the Spirit, the universe resides. And into the Spirit, the universe is dissolved.   The Spirit is the parent of all that is there is.

Yajurveda – chapter- 32:~    God is  Supreme Spirit.

If the Spirit is God, then how does man know God created the world? There is no proof. If man had seen God creating the world, he could admit it, but how could he have seen God before he came into existence? (i.e. were created). : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

No religious God can exist apart from the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.+

No religious God can exist apart from the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. People are not aware that there is no individual God can exist, apart from the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

The Soul is the Self. If there is no Soul, then there is no- physical body, no ego, no world in which you exist, no religion, and no religious Gods.

People think that there must be a creator of this universe. If one thinks the Self is ‘I’ then there is a creator, but if one thinks that the ‘Self’ is the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness, then there is nothing that exists other than consciousness.

If one objectifies and sees a universe, then he is bound to see many things besides himself and postulate a God, the creator.

You, your body, and the world in which you exist rise and set together from, and into, the Soul or consciousness.

 If God is apart from the Soul, the ‘Self’, then God would be selfless, that is, outside existence, that is, non-existent.

No one has seen God creating the world. No one can claim that it was the first Knower of the first created things.

How was that first ‘known’ substance generated?

There got to be at the very beginning of the creation someone or other who was the very first knower of the creation. There cannot be something ‘known’ in the absence of a ‘knower.’

If at all we said that there was a ‘Seen’ or ‘known’ substance produced at the beginning of creation, you may legitimately question us about its origin. But that has never been our argument. 

We are consistent in our assertion that there has been no legitimate cause behind anything ‘seen’ at the beginning of creation or even later on at any time. Hence, there is not- a thing ‘seen.’ Because there has been not- a thing seen,  consciousness is forever without bondage. Consciousness cannot be captured in words.

How did the “I” originate?

How did the "world” originate?

How does one know that he exists in this world?

There was no cause for the universe even at the very start. So nothing ever is really born. The entire universe is only an illusion. The universe in which you exist is merely an illusion created out of consciousness.

What exists is the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness only. Consciousness cannot be expressed in words because it is the existence itself. It is eternal, self-effulgent and unblemished.

The illusion has no value. The universe is the illusory nature of the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. Mentally reduce the universe to consciousness by realizing the universe is nothing but an illusion created out of consciousness.

There is no reason behind the illusion! From the ultimate standpoint, there is no illusion at all! Everything is nothing but consciousness.

You are still going by an attempt to establish a sequence of cause-effect relationships. There has to be a touchstone that can establish the correctness or otherwise of the sequence of causes and effects. If we examine based on that yardstick, the causes will evaporate.

For example, a doubt is a cause for a question. The cause for the doubt is ignorance. If we can get rid of ignorance, there is no scope for doubt and the later questions.

So go on finding answers to your doubts on your own. When all the questions are resolved, you will automatically land in and be at ease as consciousness. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar